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You won't find much about them on the web, or as a legacy: early US Death/Doom band Nuctemeron only made a single album. Founder Ari gives Comrade Aleks chapter and verse on how it was back in the '90s.

Interview with Nuctemeron.
"The scene is not made purely by big influential bands: there are lot of bands which existed briefly, before disappearing forever somewhere in the darkness. Death/Doom outfit Nuctemeron (Chandler, Arizona) is one of those underground acts. Starting in the early '90s, they went through a lot of line-up changes, managed to record one full-length album - 'A Time The World Forgot' - in 1994 and then disbanded. You may know their vocalist, Richard Medina, through his more successful band Fall Of Empyrean but I won't waste your time with a more detailed foreword because Ari Among provided this maximum in-depth interview and I have nothing more to add."

Talking to Aleks today: Nuctemeron's Ari Among (guitars, vocals).

Nuctemeron was formed in 1994, when a lot of founding Death/Doom bands were still true to the genre. What was your initial vision for the band? What were your influences?

First off, we started Nuctemeron in 1993 with a lot of line-up changes that progressed until the Nuctemeron that became famous due to the "A Time the World Forgot" demo cassette tape which used to sell for about $5 and the CD recorded for Wild Rags Records in 1994. During Spring of 1993, I was working on songs for the line-up that would eventually become Nuctemeron. I had just run away from home as a teenager while attending high school in Arizona to be a roadie for a grindcore band known as Phobia out of L.A. that I am still friends with. It was at this warehouse in downtown off of Osborne in Phoenix where I first jumped on the tour with Phobia, as their roadie. I discovered a doom/death/hardcore band known as Skinwalker from Phoenix. They were akin to the style of Grief with a touch of Infest and Siege elements. In this band was Matt Clark on vocals, Sean Clark on drums (later Misanthropy), Brett on bass, Felix (a big tough Navajo tribesman and friend of ours), and Doug Sammis on second guitar (a prospect for Nuctemeron). I had a good amount of band experience for my age since I had played in a few thrash and death projects between the later eighties and early nineties in which either some of the people are still active in metal or had for a time been a part of my friends' band Pelvic Meatloaf throughout their line up changes and growth of popularity. The fact that Doug was friends with my little brother and some of my ex band mates as well as former guitarist/bassist from Leviathan named Matt Barham (RIP) that passed away brought us together more as friends. He had been hanging out with my little brother and Matt and going to visit Sepultura and Kerry King of Slayer and his wife that had moved around the corner from him. Some of the stories were really funny about them getting chased out of Kerry King's pad and so on. Doug also knew my former guitarist Eric Hathaway that more recently does projects such as Buttonface and Kunt Spit. It was only a matter of time that we worked together, but I did not know it yet.

I am mainly a guitar player, but earlier that year I had taken up drumming thrash, death, industrial, and doom music with a piece of cardboard under my feet and a desk that I used pencils as drumsticks on and would play a bunch of old Sodom (Germany) on makeshift drums especially their earlier albums. At this point me and Richard Medina already knew each other because of two prior bands that I was in with a mutual friend Sage Johnson on drums (who later went on to join the famous death metal band Master from Chicago). Undertaker was a band that me and Scott Hutchinson our second guitarist did along with Sage Johnson and we were pure death metal on the evil end of things.

Undertaker also known as Disgruntled was influenced by Entombed, Grave, Obituary, early Paradise Lost, Carcass, Napalm Death, Deicide, Morbid Angel, Unleashed, and that sort of thing. We played many early covers of Slayer, Celtic Frost, Sodom, Possessed, Defecation, Godflesh, Electro Hippies, Napalm Death, Cathedral (some doom), Black Sabbath, Grave, Deicide, Repulsion, Entombed, Bolt Thrower, and Carcass to name a few. Me and Sage had played in a band prior to Undertaker with another female bassist and vocalist named Carrie Van Osten in a more grindcore style known as Slash Dementia. Sage was to be the replacement for Slash Dementia's past drummer Reid who I once worked with. During Undertaker's beginnings, Richard Medina was introduced to me as our singer to be, but we never actually got to jam together due to the difference in his work schedule and our mid-day practices.

As Disgruntled, we added Dave the bassist of the Alaskan death metal band at that time known as Spawn into our line-up. The band Spawn was a band that had only a cassette demo where they covered a brutal version of the "Darth Vader's" theme much like the Darth Vader's Church band from Florida. At the time that Dave joined we had renamed our band to Disgruntled which still featured Richard Medina as our reserved vocalist who we never got together with too often other than to hang out.

Richard Medina (vocals).

One night at a show in downtown Phoenix at a club known as Shepherd's Party Garden off of Van Buren in the inside of the venue for a Cannibal Corpse, Epidemic, and Unleashed gig I am approached near the ending of the show by my former Undertaker and Disgruntled vocalist Richard Medina and an older female named Tiffany Woods who he proposed should play bass with me in a new band since, Sage was busy with Master.

We would be delayed a bit from doing anything as I loaned my amplifier to legendary death metal band Master for their tour in which their guitarists at the time Nick from Burnt Offering (Chicago) and Brian Brady were in the line-up. So, in returning to my roadie episode with Phobia, shortly after that stunt, Richard and Tiffany had come over to my house to be stunned and surprised that instead of playing guitar with them, I was drumming on my desk with cardboard at my feet to Sodom songs from "In the Sign of Evil".

They had wanted to make an all DOOM and DEATH metal band, and we started by me picking up my electric guitar and jamming Grave "Obscure Infinity" for which I re-taught Tiffany the bass lines as she brought her bass and mini-amp and Richard sat around bored. I showed them a lot of my underground magazines, demos, and "evil" collection and that was about all we would do when we hung out at my house in North Phoenix where I still lived with my parents as I was only 17. I decided that Tiffany needed a lot of work and I really did not want to jam with her at that time. There were some concert friends who knew me from many death metal shows and we always talked about jamming. One day some of these concert going friends of mine, David Kowalski and his brother Michael, decide to get together instead. So, it was me on guitar, David on drums, and his brother Michael on vocals This was really the first true line-up of Nuctemeron or the Pre-Nuctemeron in 1993.

During this pre-stage where we went under such names as Embalmed Terror and Sarcophagus, we had guitarist Richard Seim as my second guitarist and a guy named Bob on bass instead of Tiffany. Unfortunately, it was rough practicing at Bob's house with his brother Charley and things fell apart as our guitarist Richard Seim went to prison shortly after our get together and to our surprise, he wound up escaping from the prison a couple of times which gave him a longer sentence at Florence in Arizona. We had convinced Tiffany, since she wanted to play bass still, that she should fill in the slot for Skinwalker. This was because Brett their bassist had left the band. She went and joined Skinwalker and we checked her out live with them and began to see that at last as a novice bassist she had potential, but we weren't set on wanting her in the band yet. I did blow her off and ignore her a bit during this year which was early through mid-1993.

Anyways, me and David Kowalski were quickly writing songs in a doom death style along with Michael his brother singing. This was now the three-piece era of Pre-Nuctemeron and we played a couple of warehouse gigs together for which Doug Sammis, my old singer Richard Medina, and Tiffany Woods showed up to watch our performance. There was a great reaction to things, but after that night we were a two-piece because Michael became upset that a friend of ours named Jared Lebaron jumped in on the mic and took over the vocals in the middle of Michael's set. He felt offended by that and got into a fight with his brother David our drummer. Because of the incident Michael had left the band, so every other slot was open again.

That night both Doug Sammis and Tiffany Woods approached us as a newly formed romantic couple to join our band because unknown to us they had just been thrown out of Skinwalker for hooking up with each other as boyfriend and girlfriend. Both her and Doug fit perfectly because we needed a second guitar and a bass and by this time, we felt confidence in their capability to learn our songs. It was as simple as calling Richard Medina back in on vocals and from there the band also known as Apostasy on some flyers become formally known as Nuctemeron.

Nuctemeron was a name that I had come up with as a name because I loved Sodom as main influence or one part of my life and used to play Sodom on drums at early rehearsals and knew the European bands of similar name were disbanded back then. All that was missing was Doug's friend Sam Haynes on the keyboard who was age 16 at the time. Sam got along great with all of us and was very talented. We rented the studio at the warehouse where our earlier gig was and created the very basics and "A Time the World Forgot" demo was constructed over a half a year or so plus we had done shows. All that was in the demo tape came from 1993 materials and was modified to fit the Wild Rags cd plus we recorded one extra bonus track entitled "Explorer's Return". Late 1993 is when all the writing and putting things together was done. I think the recording took place mostly in 1994.

Nuctemeron - 'The Explorer's Return' (1994):

Full-length album 'A Time the World Forgot' was recorded in 1994. How long did you spend writing these songs?

I came up with these songs as far as the musical arrangements and structures rather rapidly with David Kowalski on the drums and then I had to re-teach them to Tiffany and Doug. Tiffany kind of became the band manager and promoter on her own accord, but we had some disputes because of that. She worked at Dairy Queen in Chandler with our singer Richard who was and is an exceptional lyric writer and vocalist while her ex-boyfriend and our guitarist Doug worked at Mobil gas station in North Phoenix which was quite far, but we figured the middle ground for our practices was central Phoenix at Francisco Studios off the corner of Mcdowell and 19th Avenue.

David and I had worked at Phoenix Mountain Resort, a nursing home as kitchen assistants simultaneously for a time and as far as I knew our keyboardist Sam was only 16, so he had not started working until after he had left the band. The point he left was when we chose to keep Tiffany in the band when Doug and her finally broke up. This was by late 94 after all our recording was done that Doug and Sam had left the band. Before the recording I had my G600 Crate half stack and American made NJ series BC Rich Warlock guitar with extra heavy gauge strings and a low-down tuning. Most of the material was written within less than a month of me and David getting together. Unfortunately, there are tons of songs that we only played live and that we developed that were not recorded and it is a true travesty as they were great and more depressive and painful than this demo or cd release by far.

I'd say it took less than a year to get everyone together on everything and finally record in the studio, but as for me and David we were ready from the start and Richard just threw lyrics and vocals on top like a poetic master. Mostly Doug and Tiffany were the ones that we had to concentrate on getting things correct with. To our surprise, Tiffany had deleted Doug's guitar tracks secretly without our knowledge so all we hear on those recordings are my guitar tracks for rhythm and my solo overdub on the demo and cd version, yet his name still appeared in it. This information was not given to me for quite some time after it had transpired, and we were a bit disturbed by it. Nothing further could be done at that point.

What are your memories about this recording session at Living Head studio? Was it difficult to find a proper studio? What kind of sound did you want to get?

We had no idea that finding a studio for a death doom band could be such a difficult task, because people looked at us strange due to some of the content and even to make the artwork for flyers could shock people as well as turn up a bit costly. Richard and Tiffany had the hook up with flyers though. Also, our first magazine interviews were with Keith Dempe who had played in infamous and influential thrash band Pedifile from Arizona (who were extremely against pedophilia and were totally sarcastic about it at the same time) as a bassist. Even with eighteen shows and parties that we had played in all at that time frame, Tiffany was our manager in charge of our gigs. Her and Richard both were involved in flyer making as well as album cover designs, in which Charlie Delk, of the Phoenix, Arizona death metal band Eroticide, had hand drawn for us.

Mr. Delk himself had made our earlier band logo and assisted on flyers for us as well. Charlie's drummer Joel Whitfield and later guitarist Phil Hampson were former Nuclear Death (infamous underground death metal band) members also. It was a coincidence that our name also started with "Nuc" thus we were as a joke called the "Nuc" bands from Arizona. We were very close to Phil Hampson and mutual friends in the scene and we were networking out to find a studio, but it was not through my connections that Living Head studio was found. Richard could answer the connection for us using Living Head Recoding Studio better I believe.

I recall being driven up there by Doug and drinking and partying with Mr. David Nichols and his studio assistance. He was a connoisseur of American ales and we would drink our time away with Samuel Adams brews in a studio that had assisted everyone from Nine Inch Nails to Type O Negative. I believe we were the first truly underground band that he had recorded there. Here and there people had only heard of Sacred Reich, Flotsam and Jetsam, Atrophy, and Nuclear Death (who are still pretty underground). The death metal back-up vocals, doom element, and occult materials I was bringing into the studio to do rituals with really tripped David the studio owner out.

Even though our band was called Nuctemeron, I had been deeply into the occult and Necronomicon at the time and delved deep into understanding the Pythagorean teachings of secrecy taught by Apollonius of Tyana while reading much of Eliphas Levi materials.

It is too much to get into here, but some of the abuse of substances and dark occult practices along with the miserable doom sound and roaring vocals had the studio in for a shock. Enough to get gossiped about a little bit, but I was one of the few commonly having altered consciousness during that time. We paid a lot of money, but in the end, it was a unique recording and sound. We wanted it even doomier and more mysterious. We had some European death metal influence out of America with many Sabbathesque doom overtones to start. Some say kind of like Bolt Thrower and Amorphis or similar with Suffocation like vocals. Although, most of us would disagree.

Those songs that people hear on the demo tape an CD never did us justice. It is the unrecorded stuff I personally loved the most. One of the things that helped us develop many of the new songs for which we only had played live was the pain in our hearts (especially mine) over the drama and sadness of too many chemicals, too much time in that studio, and time away from a girl who I loved very much. My heart was being wrenched and broken with everything going in life as a seventeen-year-old kid. I will not speak for anyone else, but I especially had a drug problem and was experimenting a lot back then which I do not do now at all. My behavior was very unbecoming for my band mates besides the fact that I was irresponsible, homeless for a time, and out of work for which they came to collect some rental money for the rehearsal studio from my mom at the time.

There was a point that I went missing for months on a drug binge and they tried to get a future friend of mine from Vehemence named Bjorn Dannov to replace me as well, but since he didn't write the songs it was being taught to him by Doug and Tiffany which is awkward because they were not the main writers at the time either. Also, at the time I didn't know Bjorn. Because they threatened to kick me out of my own band, I snapped out of my drug adventures quickly and got serious again at that point.

When we came to record the bonus track, Living Head let us down with their very low solo guitar recording for "Explorer's Return" that only appears on cd version of the demo. Things were spiraling down in my life, but for the band on many levels it was getting good and better. It was especially good in the publicity realm with bands who wanted to tour or do gigs with us.

David Kowalski (drums).

The songs' lyrics are obscene and bloody, did you all consider these topics proper for your music? Did you get criticism because of this?

I'd say almost half of those lyrics were pre-written from the time we were working with Sage Johnson (also drummed in Master from Chicago and Shiva a California band featuring ex Mindrot and Confrontation members as well as Fall of Empyrean) in Undertaker/Disgruntled. The stuff he kept coming up with was more mysterious and ominous and occult like for our later material which was akin to early Absu with elements of Equimanithorn meets Thergothon, Winter, E.H.G., Grief, early Paradise Lost, early Anathema, The Gathering (Holland), M.D.B., early Pyogenesis, and Disembowlment (Australia) type of elements combined in it with some standard death metal incorporated.

From the onset of Nuctemeron I was into bands like Blue Cheer, Black Sabbath/Earth, early Ozzy Osbourne, early Scorpions, early Iron Maiden, Blue Oyster Cult, Thin Lizzy, Foghat, Led Zeppelin, Elf, Rainbow/Dio, Yes, Genesis, Rush, Trouble, The Swans, Decoryah, Exhumed of the Earth by Paramecium, early M.D.B., early Paradise Lost, Solitude Aeturnus, Penance/Dream Death, Thergothon, Disembowelment, Cianide, Cathedral, Thou Shalt Suffer/Thy Grief Eternal, Anathema, Thy Grief Eternal, Saint Vitus, The Obsessed, Shine, Pentagram, Stillborn, Count Raven, Sleep/Absestos Death, Sorrow (NY), Enchantment, Goatlord, Doom Snake Cult, Doomstone, Derketa/Mythic, Winter, Autopsy, Witchfinder General, Paul Chain projects, The Gathering, early Pyogenesis, early Amorphis, The Chasm, Grief, Mordor, E.H.G., early Crowbar, Penalty (Exhorder guys), Melvins, Candlemass/Nemesis, Iron Man, Panthymonium, Edge of Sanity, Sťance, Cemetery, Lake of Tears, and many more.

What we were writing post-demo and cd days was an improvement and a musical maturity. Plus, we had a few oddball tunes such as "Victims of a Useless God" that had an industrial death metal influence that we played live. This song was our own style with some early Godflesh like elements that we did live as well as another song that was written in 1993 that was Norwegian style black metal sound heavily influenced by stuff like Profanatica, Unholy, Denial of God, Deceased, Incantation, Decrepit, Vital Remains, Nocturnus, early Morbid Angel, Blasphemy, Mayhem, Samael, and Dark Throne on my own. As far as I know it was the first black metal song made in Arizona (our musical backyard), yet we only did it for fun to spook the crowd at shows and were never serious about it because we were primarily a DOOM band. My back up vocals became very prominent on that one.

Nuctemeron - 'What Have I Become' (1994):

Wild Rags was a big label back then, did they grant you proper support?

My father had lived in Los Angeles for some time and I too had spent much of my visiting and living time in Southern California on and off growing up although my beginnings were in Hawai'i. We would make trips to places like Zed's records out in the Long Beach area where Katon of the old thrash band Hirax and Phantasm (featured former Metallica bassist Ron Mcgovney) ran the shop as well as to see Richard C. of Wild Rags Records in person. Richard C of The Wild Rag/Wild Rags Records told me in person if I ever have a band send it to him and if he likes it, he'll sign it. I sent him demos and the completed ones as well as copies for his distro of Nuctemeron and I believe that Tiffany also did the same while calling him up after he showed interest. He sent the label forms for us to sign by mail to Tiffany in Chandler because she was having all mail for our band go to her (even though I received plenty of snail mail because I was an underground writer and trader for a very long time). She literally was our band promoter and manager as well.

The main thing that we got out of our deal with Wild Rags were copies for cds and exposure in ads for our band as promotions. We really did not get shows set up because of Mr. Richard C. (Campos). Tiffany set up our shows and our merchandise was our profit as I recall it. We also had to pay for our own shirts. The first batches we made on a homemade silk screen at Doug Sammis' home in Phoenix and it featured some World War II extermination camp scene and says, "A Time the World Forgot". Showing the overall depressing nature of history. The next shirt was a professional one with the album cover art and logo followed by some that were made in different stages of the band.

How intense was your live activity in this period?

Considering the three-year time frame involving our major activities I would say not that much intensity or frequency. All in all, we only managed to play eighteen shows total as I mentioned prior and had one invitation to do a death metal fest in L.A. because we were hanging out with Don Brujo of Brujeria and a guy named Dave from a death metal band out of South-Central Los Angeles. called Catalepsy. Some of our mutual friends in in Phobia knew them because Brujeria's drummer Raymond Herrera of Fear Factory fame also had session drummed on Phobia out of Southern California's premier album (same Phobia that I was a roadie for). We had fun at the death-metal-festival in Los Angeles as a band trip, but some of us, especially me, got way too drunk and stoned to play. The show featured other acts like Ritual from South America, Sepsism (Los Angeles), Entity (Los Angeles), Dystopia (from So. Cal. hanging out with us), Phobia (So. Cal.), Carcinogen (So. Cal), Immortal Fate (Bay Area), and many more.

Joey Horvath (guitars).

How often did you play live?

At a rate of eighteen shows in three years that is not often at all. I wish we had played out more, but we did play with some good bands. One of our first shows was set up with Cadaverous Quartet (Tucson, Arizona death metal band) and Nuclear Assault who failed to show. Other live gigs were with Arizona band such as Sufferance, Occission, Parasite, Psychic Pawn, Mycophagy, Imperiled Earth, Disinhumed (South Carolina, but relocated to Arizona), Morcid, Human Remains (AZ), and a few more. We also had other gigs since the beginning with the Mentors or El Duce solo (but we did not actually get to play only hung out with El Duce) and some Kiss look alike cover bands opening, Grip INC (failed to show), Grum, Morgion, Phobia, Kataklysm, Incantation, Morbid Angel, Malevolent Creation, and Deicide. We'll never forget the night El Duce groped our bassist Tiffany and grabbed her ass there and neither I, Doug, Matt Clark, or Sean Clark would do a thing about it except say "it's El Duce don't you know who it is?" Eventually, she took a hint and escaped from his drunken ass grabbing binge. We set up the event for a one- off show of Deicide at the Mason Jar and Glen Benton borrowed our bassist Tiffany's bass gear. This was the last show that I ever recall playing with that line-up and era of Nuctemeron.

After that our drummer David was getting married and his future wife was pregnant. This event ruined several projects including some we did with Nar Mattaru guys (Joey Horvath, Drake Lank, Damon Kent, Mike Wyatt, and Ron Gray). Narmatteron and Nuctamaru were these flipside projects which involved both Dave and Mike Wyatt (of Feral Viscera and Whorror featuring Phil Hampson of Nuclear Death) on the drums at the same time and three guitars (myself as well with Joey who would replace Doug in the future). Those two projects (two names for pretty much the same proect) were some of the most eerie and tribal stuff ever. Kind of like Thergothon (Finland) meets Tenebrarum (Columbia), Neurosis (California), The Chasm (Mexico), Avernus (Chicago), December Wolves (Boston), and Cianide (Chicago). It was due to these side bands such as Grimoire (which featured Casket Vomit members in Arizona), Narmatteron/Nuctamaru (featuring Nar Mattaru, Phantasm -AZ, Whorror, Casket Vomit, Feral Viscera, Submission, and members tied to Nuclear Death with Nuctemeron members) that we acquired our new guitarist Louis "Joey" Horvath who fit into the scheme of things with influences perfectly. Joey was pure doom and he played our final important gigs which were with Malevolent Creation, Morbid Angel, and Deicide before leaving for the Army and he is still in currently. Him and Drake had also come from the dark and evil school of death metal since they jammed with Phil Hampson of Nuclear Death in Feral Viscera too.

Did you have a tour in order to support the release?

No, we did not although we would have liked to have. There were talks of European tours once we hooked up with Melinda of Morbid Metal Records in California who signed us for the compilation cd known as "Deterioration of the Senses" cd featuring bands like Exhumed (California), Divine Eve (Texas), Damian Kross, Thanatopsis, Putrid Mass, Orthodox, Unearth, Inquest, Immortality, Carcinogen, Adnauseum, Enthroned (California), Brood, Adversary, and Unearth. None of that happened because after our 1995 gig with Deicide and losing Dave as a drummer we were falling apart. We were supposed to be featured on Traces of Death movies volume one with director Damon Fox (of the thrash band Stormtrooper from Arizona fame) as well, but things were not working out. Wild Rags had their own troubles which became worse for them and nothing worked out our way as far as touring. For us touring was going from Phoenix to Tucson and doing shows at their excellent Downtown Performance Center (D.P.C) or the Rock (formerly Muddbuggs), Gargoyles, and other similar places.

Doug Sammis (guitars).

Why did you disband Nuctemeron in 1995? Do you have any unpublished tracks since then?

We had many unpublished tracks even before we broke up, but truth be told we did not break up in 1995. In 1995, this was the year that David Kowalski left, but the line-up was still me, Richard, Tiffany, and Joey. We tried every fill in drummer that you can imagine. We had Sage who went onto Master filling in with us while he was a part of Master still, but he could not focus the same as when we jammed prior to that and my guitar and equipment was needing renovation as it was having technical issues with the neck and tuning. So, we brought in this guy Steven Henson to mess around with for a time going to his house even prior to Dave's departure. I loved that Steve was into Candlemass and Nemesis, as well as the Melvins, but he did not work out either due to whatever reasons and he later wound up in Fall of Empyrean with Richard. Then, it was Jessie Johnson of Occission that we brought in on drums, but a similar problem was going on in 1996 in the way that Tiffany dated Doug as a band member and it again became an issue. Her and Jessie remained boyfriend and girlfriend for a long time. There was even an in between stage where Tiffany had become very close with Jeremy Peto of Morgion who I used to write years before. She was going to California to visit him a lot we heard and there were rumors of her starting a new band with him possibly. We do not know the whole story, but Nuctemeron was certainly falling apart. The rehearsals were very unfocused.

Jessie had now replaced Doug's position as mutual band member dating other band member and he did not have time to do both Nuctemeron and Occission. I never really felt that his heart was into jamming with us and our chemistry did not work the way that me and Dave our former drummer's chemistry did either. We would try and write new things, but it was so hit and miss. Most of us felt Jesse was distracted by being in two bands and dating our bassist in the band.

Jessie was fading out of interest in the band within the summer of 1996, so I began again searching for a suitable replacement for David. I think I felt Richard, Tiffany, and even Joey had just given up. There was no one that could fill the slot. I was fighting till the end to keep it alive though.

I received a call from Tiffany telling all of us that the band was over and that I owed her some money, but me and Joey disagreed with that statement and wanted to pursue things. This led to some heated disputes and me never talking to Tiffany again. This was the first time that I heard the person who Paul Speckmann of Master dedicated the song "Funeral Bitch" at shows to mention anything about money to me. She was letting me know the rehearsal studio was to be closed and that I could not get my owed band merchandising nor band equipment unless I paid her cash immediately. Some may have felt I was the bad guy in it due to how upset she was after our argument, but I don't think there was any good guys or bad guys, it simply remains a misunderstanding.

So, I went to the studio and found whoever was there. My mutual friends in the band Disinhumed (a grinding death metal band from South Carolina I also filled in on second guitar for had been sharing the space there I believe and Scott the singer and guitarist for Disinhumed was nice enough to let me grab my band stuff. This was the end of one era of Nuctemeron. It was not a good breakup when the band dissolved. Also, for the record, nothing romantic or sexual ever happened between me and Tiffany despite so many rumors of her with all of us guys. Things happen and unfortunately, we do not talk since the summer of 1996. It has been 23 years, despite some attempts.

During late 1996 I acquired Ryan Booker of Tucson death metal band known as Mycophagy on drums. He was astounding and learned everything that David did because he was a fan of Nuctemeron and within one day Nuctemeron was back in action. I wanted to call Richard up, but I wasn't sure if Richard would come with me or with Tiffany because they had been co-workers and friends and it was them that approached me at the Cannibal Corpse and Unleashed gig. All I knew is that the new Nuctemeron could be made. Ryan kept travelling out in his Blazer and driving up to Phoenix to jam in the living room of my small duplex apartment. At this time, Tiffany was doing a band called Dregoth along with Joey which people were saying claimed to be the "real Nuctemeron". From my perspective Joey was a part of our band, but not the initial writing foundation and conception, but he was important to writing new songs. This type of rumor was bothersome since we knew we had written the materials before anyone else had joined. Unfortunately, these types of misunderstandings happen with bands. I always felt Richard was the perfect lyricist and writer for the band, so I never had beef with him at all. Me and Dave had most of our music written before Doug and Tiffany had joined or anyone else for that matter so, there was no way that we could not be acknowledged as the "real Nuctemeron" for which Sam Haynes and Richard also wrote and arranged things that we did not.

Of course, we always remained friends with Doug, but understood if he was upset at us for not leaving the band with him when he broke with Tiffany, but we didn't want to lose our band management on top of it I believe as we were a serious band and we were progressing in popularity. When Joey came in the chemistry and flow of things became a perfect match for our sound and we took a new leap, but without Sam on keyboards because he left when Doug did, it felt incomplete.

Tiffany did Dregoth for a short tie followed by joining Occission on guitar. Dregoth wound up having Don Smith of Feral Viscera and Whorror (Phil Hampson of Nuclear Death's projects) on vocals too. Despite all the occurrences and desires to reform the band, I work, go to college, and raise a family now since moving away from Arizona. We could blame this person and that person, but it is what it is because things in life simply happen and remain as they are regardless if we like it or not.

I continued with Nuctemeron in 1997 with Booker on drums and a guy I rather not mention who was my roommate on guitar. In all of this I had no idea where Richard stood as far as Nuctemeron was concerned. He no longer called or contacted me. I put in a few other fill-in drummers such as Justin "Animal" Diamond who had worked with James Murphy (Obituary, Disincarnate, Cancer, Death, Testament, and more) in a band project as well as Sufferance/Excessive Bleeding's first drummer Zack Sewell with us for a moment (the days without Tiffany, Sam, Doug, Joey, or Richard).

Nuctemeron - 'Return To The Temple Of God' (1994):

The most amazing things transpired because I wound up meeting Kam Lee of the ever famous Mantas/Death (Florida), Massacre (Florida), and funeral doom band, Akatharta in Phoenix while hanging out with local band Excessive Bleeding. We were also goofing off in some side band and one-off thing called Nightime with Kam for a time. He was coming over to my house and agreed to be the new vocalist in Nuctemeron. I was writing new Nuctemeron songs and Booker was 100% in this time, but we also had that unmentionable roommate of mine trying to take the second guitar spot.

Kam Lee would come over with just me and his lovely ex-girlfriend to my pad and listen to underground stuff as well as watch him play classics such as Hellhammer and Celtic Frost tunes on my BC Rich. I could tell he really did not like my second guitarist who I had at the time and neither did I. Other dramas began brewing and Kam did not like the dramas in the Arizona scene with another friend of ours. Kam was on a lowdown recording with the guys from Controlled Bleeding/Skin Chamber in Arizona at the time in an unknown project tentatively titled Facehugger back then.

We figured since, Tiffany was set on the band being ended that nobody would care if I revamped it with the only person that I felt had the capacity to replace Richard. Even with someone as legendary as Kam Lee now in my house and jamming Nuctemeron with me until he was fed up with my roommate before he went back East, the vibes were not the same. Richard's vibe and sound is totally irreplaceable, but the Nuctemeron meets Mantas/Death, Massacre front man was a rare stage few got to witness save for a handful. Mike Wyatt (Feral Viscera/Whorror/ Nar Mattaru, Disinhumed, etc.) was on the backburner for this on drums and we almost had Bobby Chavez of Psychic Pawn (as well as Season of Pain and Born of Fire) fame doing bass in on this one, but things fell apart as I refused to do anything that involved my roommate spoken of prior in the same band.

I had an excellent line up minus this roommate for the "new" Nuctemeron or "all-star" Nuctemeron. Once Kam was out, I was ready to just throw in the towel. I did not blame Kam for wanting to leave Arizona and get out of our scene. Many of my mutual friends had gotten worked up with Kam and he was not too pleased about stuff.

I feel that if I see him, we would still be on great terms because I never did anything wrong to him. It is just that things worked out a certain way and he did not like my second guitarists and roommates fake and pretentious vibes. He was reminded of other disloyal events in his time with his own Massacre band members along with new annoying circumstances.

Within a year or two I finally was able to get David Kowalski our original drummer back in to drum with me at my apartment following the departure of Kam, Booker, and everyone else. As a two-piece we began to write newer Nuctemeron songs and even rehash ones that were only played live or never heard outside our studios such as Eternal Doom, Forever World, Feeders, Victims of a Useless God, Ebonfrost, Dirge of Solemnity and a few more. Then there were our newer tracks in a more Conan the Barbarian influenced lyrical approach with slight black metal meets our doom influenced style that I had written. These were of our newer tracks without Richard as a two piece with such songs as: Cimmerian Pallbearer's Slumber, Pacing Ragnarok, Fimble Winter and a couple more.

We had a few guys try and fill in, but we were meant to be a two piece at that time, so in 1999 we put out a lot of flyers and wound up opening for Dimmu Borgir, Samael, Epoch of Unlight and Monstrosity at the Nile Theater in Mesa, Arizona. We did all songs from "A Time the World Forgot" and some new ones again as only a two piece with low sound, no bass and me singing with just Dave on drums and backing vocals I did both lead and rhythm at the same time.

I am not sure if my vocals even compared to Richard's, but we refused to let the band just die. Dave was getting into other problems because of his child with his ex and soon after that show Nuctemeron fell apart again. It felt like only half of Nuctemeron, but we had a good reaction.

If you want to be technical, Nuctemeron broke up in late 1999. We did not give up until after that show upon Dave's short-lived return and final departure. This was our come back show and our nineteenth show. Nuctemeron only played nineteen shows in its existence and the last was as half the band not a complete line-up.

I have been away from Arizona near thirteen years now and everyone from Sam, David, Joey (who replaced Doug), Doug, and Richard would like to see the band come back. Me and Richard Medina agreed that we should rename the band now as "Nuctemeron Lives" since there are so many other bands of the same name in the world popular now. Or, even "Nuctemeron Dies" would be ok. I will let Richard speak now as I think this is the first time for him hearing all of this and I don't know where he stands on these undiscussed ventures, but if possible, we would love to reunite and do all our unrecorded stuff.

I feel that Richard is the only vocalist fit to do Nuctemeron, and that Joey is the only appropriate second guitarist, Sam Haynes is the perfect keyboardist, Dave is the right drummer if we can keep him in the band, and that Doug could take his exes spot on bass (*laughing to self*, but on a serious note we have discussed making him the new bassist if he will accept that offer). If not, we have a couple other offers from Damon Kent of Submission and Nar Mattaru, Narmatteron/Nuctamaru and Drake Lank who was in most of those projects except for Submission. Things keep getting closer and closer to manifesting at last I believe. Anyways, thank you for your time and patience with our interview. Stay Woefully Doomed Upon the Bleeding Wings of Sorrow.

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Interviewed on 2019-06-30 by Comrade Aleks Evdokimov.
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